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J. M. Elliott's avatar

Really interesting discussion here. I don't disagree about the need to question authority and the potential for abuse in institutions. But I do have some mixed feelings, as I feel like the pendulum has swung so far in the direction of "institutions are always evil" and "mental illness is just a quirky identity, not an affliction" (echoed in that "mental illness is power" quote) that few people are willing to look the problem of serious mental illness in the face and do anything concrete about it. And sometimes that means making hard choices on behalf of people who are a danger to themselves and others. No, it's not sexy or fun, but it's necessary.

Your quotation about brushing teeth struck me especially. My grandmother was a nurse on the night shift at a mental hospital before they all closed down. I recall hearing a story about a severely disturbed woman who used her toothbrush to gouge out her own eye. Even under careful supervision, crazy shit happens with crazy people. Rules often seem arbitrary or punitive, but there may be an underlying logic to them that the outside observer just isn't aware of. Rebellion, however well-intentioned, is poison if it doesn't first understand its repercussions.

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David Caligaris's avatar

Talk about a conversation starter, your review and commentary really caused my mind to race. Your closing comments cover the dichotomy well, but the devil is in the details.

This is an extreme example and hard to romanticize by most of us, but would Trump fit the McMurphy role in inspiring others to rebel against 'convention,' as it were?

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